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Sawyer Oars Bankruptcy This is not a surprise to me, they have been missing the mark as of late. I ordered a set couple years ago and it took them 3 month to deliver. I... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Saturday Green Author: jP
Subject: Saturday Green
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 6:11pm

Looked like some good water out there today! Tomorrow should be good too.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Who wants to play Activist Tuesday at SnoPUD? Author: jP
Subject: Who wants to play Activist Tuesday at SnoPUD?
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 6:32pm

There's a SnoPUD meeting in Everett, set for 6 PM this coming Tuesday, Feb 16th, at the SnoPUD main office (2320 California St).

The reason for the meeting has to do with a change in the way SnoPud bills its rate payers, and apparently this issue has rate payers pretty pissed off at SnoPUD. So there should be a decent turnout.

Oppenents of SnoPud's proposal to dewater SUNSET FALLS (AND CANYON FALLS, and the 1.1 miles inbetween) are poised to take this moment to educate ratepayers about the dam proposal, and why its a bad idea. I will be there for sure, and we think its a good idea for as many of you to show up as possible.

I'm going to keep things short here right now, but I'd like to urge your participation. Please, if you simply can't go because of prior obligations thats fine. But if you can make it, your support is needed. Think of it as just a trip to everett to hang out with your fellow, fun loving boaters, and of course publicly engaging with non boaters and rate payers there.

Please understand we are entering a critical phase in this fight. And no one is asking you for money. We need YOU. We need your passion, your intellect, and your belief in what's right with regards to how we manage our precious resources. Understand that this fight is just now heating up. For us to succeed it will be a death of a "thousand cuts" kind of victory (metaphoriclly speaking, obviously).

If you want ANY details about how you can effectively participate, please please please PM me, text me, call me...just get involved.

Oh yeah, and posting below to fire up some stoke won't hurt either.



Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Who wants to play Activist Tuesday at SnoPUD? Author: jP
Subject: Who wants to play Activist Tuesday at SnoPUD?
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 6:52pm

Now, for those who haven't kept abreast of this issue, are completely unimormed of it, or have just gotten busy and forgotten the details of why Damming the S. frk Sky at Sunset Falls is a Terrible Idea, here's a recap:

Its going to cost ratepayers about $217 million to build, at least. They said studies would cost 1.1mil but they are already $5 million deep, not counting land prchased. So well over $200 million to add 1% to SnoPUD's energy demand.


BLASTING CLOSE TO AN ACTIVE LANDSLIDE
Two 2 story tunnels one half mile in length will be blasted out of bedrock within 330 feet of an active, ongoing, landslide. The main tunnel will be blasted UNDER THE RIVERBED, just upstream of Sunset Falls.

Sounds pretty destructive, huh?

Landslide started Dec 2013, moves in fits and spurts, and has taken out the main road and several cabins so far. It?s not finished; the entire hill will come down. PUD consultants say blasting will not affect the landslide! This is especially incredible in the wake of the deadly slide at Oso. By the way, you can't even drive in to Sunset Falls basin anymore due to these last two slides. I will try to get some photos up.

If you look at an areial view, and you know your WA geology, it isn't a far fetched leap to wonder if Mama Skykomish might not just decide to re-rout herself to the river left of Sunset Falls, through the slide zone. Now maybe this is hundreds of years out. Maybe 10-20...maybe it'll never happen. But if it did it will obviously bypass the installation proposed. Check it out.


HARM TO FISH:
20% of all of the fish in the Snohomish watershed utilize this area at some point in their life cycles, according to the Fish Bios.
Among the fish in the river, wild salmon, including Chinook (King) and coho. as well as Steelhead are listed as threatened species.

PUD says fish will do better with LESS water in the river.   They want to take water out of the river and run it through tunnels (see Blasting).

Less water in the river will be warmer and deprive fish of oxygen. Fish become stressed and can suffocate when water temperature reaches 70oF.
With less water, fish will be vulnerable to predatory birds. Eagles and osprey are often seen along the river corridor.
The PUD study did not factor in steelhead kelt. They return to the ocean as adults. Since they are larger than juvenile salmon, their injuries will be more severe with less water in the river.
The PUD study was a computer model of buoyancy particles: not real fish, not real water.

Imagine the injuries fish will sustain when going down this 40? drop (photo next column) with less water to cushion their descent. This is Canyon Falls, a very rocky 40? drop, and an area that PUD would take water from if the project is built



EXISTING PROTECTIONS
The S. Fork of the Skykomish, site of the proposed project, has legal protections against hydro power development. The PUD has not yet addressed those protections but instead persists in pursuing a license from the Feds.

The river is part of the WA State Scenic River System, worthy of protection as a free-flowing river. RCW 79A.55.005

The NW Power & Conservation Council (a Federal agency) considers this stretch of river protected from hydro power development. It is possible to get an exemption to that protection but PUD has not done so. The project likely would not meet criteria to provide exceptional benefits to fish (see Harm to Fish)

There are minimum instream flows designated by law for this river.   Those flows are much more, 2-5 times more, than PUD wants to use to generate power. WAC 173-507-020 (see Harm to Fish)

In an era when we are spending hundreds of millions to yank out dams, should we building one here of all places?

The bottom line:
PUD HYDRO POWER PROJECT WILL RAISE RATES, ENDANGER FISH, ENDANGER THE SKYKOMISH RIVER AND LIKELY WORSEN A LOCAL LANDSLIDE

Edited by jP - Today at 6:56pm
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: kirkrorrer
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 7:34pm

I'd to get out mid morning
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: jonnygriff
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 8:07pm

I'm down for middle middle tomorrow what time are you thinking? 206 471 2895 jon
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Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: Mike55
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 8:48pm

I'd be down for a run tomorrow, what time?
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: jonnygriff
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 9:09pm

want to meet at the take out at eleven?
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: Mike55
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 10:36pm

Sounds good
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: Mike55
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 8:51am

Sorry, other plans happened. I'm out.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: kirkrorrer
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 9:00am

11 sounds good . I need to be off water at 2 though

Edited by kirkrorrer - Today at 9:02am
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: ckoontz
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 9:23am

Mind if I join?

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Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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Whitewater Forum : Green Monday? Author: lubes
Subject: Green Monday?
Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 10:13am

It's Washington's Birthday! Lets paddle the Green!

206-788-5630
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : MM Sunday ? Author: kirkrorrer
Subject: MM Sunday ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 10:17am

Sure . See u at 11
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Who wants to play Activist Tuesday at SnoPUD? Author: irenen
Subject: Who wants to play Activist Tuesday at SnoPUD?
Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 10:32am

Thanks for spreading the word JP, we will see you at 6 pm this Tuesday!
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity