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Salt/Grand/Moab/Deso Shuttle offered first weekend in March one'ish week out if anyone could use transportation/shuttle help in southern CO/UTAH or northern AZ area Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: imageAK
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 3:49am

Ive only been paddling for a year and a half. Started on a lake boat and moved to white water really quickly...
besides a few imparting words here and there most of my progression and boating has been solo, If theres one thing ive learned, its that interaction with rivers and whitewater is entirely personal. Some will never progress past class III and thats ok they LOVE it! Just as we all do.
Others will run class V in their first year.

Out of probably 200 days on the water ive boated maybe 20 with other folks... Most of those times with other people I have swam. I have only ever swam once alone...
Solo means more time to contemplate things, it helped me learn to read the water better... you have to. It helped me make better choices and progress faster, because again you have to be able to make the moves alone, theres no rope.
But it also made me more comfortable with portaging, taught me to trust my gut instead of trying to be a hotdog! When you're alone there is no one to impress.
I learned to roll from a youtube video, and pulled it first try in a cold lake, and was 99% before i left the first day... second day I learned my offside was smoother than my on side... Then I swam a half dozen times on different rivers over a few months... most of the time self rescueing...
Thats another thingm just because you are with a group shouldnt inspire confidence. Even if they all have solid rolls. Class 4 boaters swim alllllll the time.
If there is one thing I have seen its that peoples rescue skills... even just throwing a rope... are pretty damn poor.
Id rather know someone im paddling with can float on their back properly, or swim well, or even better- have the frame of mind to listen for commands & react calmly but smoothly to the situation they put themselves in by swimming.
Much off subject....
Boating solo is fun, and just as safe as being with another person if you are competent and capable.
Its also a solo decision, especially if you are anywhere near pushing yourself. There are many opinions & all will say dont push yourself when alone... but when you start to get into class V a lot of the time youre on your own in there anyway... so learning to be there in that head space on the smaller stuff while its still gives you butterflies is an important skill I think.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Coolers that rest on frame Stitches n stuff will make one for you Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Skidguard no longer in production? You can put a thick coat of oil based paint on plywood and then pour sand on it, let it dry, broom it off then one more coat Instant none slip any... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
BV in the "Off Season" There is a "fat bike" rally this weekend. Some fun activities going on and live music at the Lariat. *Sat Feb 27*: 7am-8am: Free Coffee from... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
rescue vest's I settle for the Green Jacket because I like the over the head style. Less to break and I know it's staying on my body. I wish the GJ had a bit more... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
DownRiverEquipment Vs. River Boatworks RBW is a great shop! Got my Storm from them as well as a BWO frame. I have zero complaints. The customer service, after the sale, was GREAT! ... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
New cooler line RTIC ---Quote (Originally by Osseous)--- Buy a 20 oz coffee and try to pour it into the 20 oz Yeti tumbler....typical Yeti marketing- it won't hold 20 oz... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
The Perfect Cat Trip? June Cat trips tend to be difficult to plan because the potential of high water means your camp choices are limited. So, you'll be racing all the... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: huckin harms
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 7:14am

Matt- I appreciate your incremental approach to learning to kayak. It's not the norm. Many go paddling first and discover the love for the river and then learn to roll. I've taken my son down the rio many times and he has zero roll. He's swam out of his boat on several occasions, but not more than me yet.
Safety is always a prime consideration, but this sport is inherently dangerous, and each person has their own individual level of tolerance for risk. Many folks learn best in a safe structured environment, but not all.      
As for solo boating, as some have mentioned, it can narrow our focus and bring the worlds moments into a sharper more clear sense of vibrancy. For some it brings out the best in their talents. Personally, I like company in my moments of challenge, though it wasn't always that way. In my early days of paddling I did a lot of solo boating, but almost never outside my perceived skill set in relation to the challenge. To be sure I didn't raise the bar paddling solo, as some in our community have been able to do.
That said, paddling solo can provide the aspiring novice or intermediate with the opportunity to work on developing skills provided the run offers the appropriate level of challenge.
One other note. Over the years I have noticed a change in myself regarding my way of paddling. Early on, I rarely spent much time 'thinking' about boating. It was just something one spent time doing. Now, with youtube, books, and instructional videos we do lots of thinking about it. This can carry over onto the river, indeed it should if we are intentionally practicing a skill, but I have noticed a tendency to overthink things, rather than just turn off the mind, and allow the 'animal' in us do what we do.    
    
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Repair/replace floor ?? If you want to go dirt cheap you might consider a floor from Saturn. I talked with someone there last year about ordering a floor for retrofitting a... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
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Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: dave
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 7:44am

I solo boat all the time. Usually after work in a public type of area like Kanasak Palmer park or the Cedar Slolum course for excersize. I have done some high risk solo boating, but I decided not to do that anymore. Even in a public area the risk is high and there is no rescue if somethiing goes very wrong. But, I usually am being very conservative when solo boating and stay solid and as safe as possible. I dont like work out clubs, so this is my main source of excersize all year long...I think I am nearing the 30 year mark for whitewater kayaking also and probably didnt start solo boating until after 10-15 years of experience.

Edited by dave - Today at 7:45am
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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Ortleib dry bags If you're looking for a zipper closure, I've had no issues with Watershed MTP Military line of zipper bags. These are more pricy than the... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
New cooler line RTIC Pelican has good latches and indistructable hahanhahandles.h Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Sedona Park and Play Nice ED Pix logan...:mrgreen: And just to fill in Bob and Logan's comments, The play on Pilar is great, Any levels over 400-500cfs its easy and... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Oar holders when not rowing My raft has a full perimeter line on it and I simply tuck the blade between the webbing and the raft so that it rests on a D-ring. In essence didn't... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
AIRE - Cougar - Grand Canyon trip Good looking rig Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
rescue vest's The Gold Standard https://kokatat.com/product/maximus-centurion-lvumxc Best fit, float, pockets and tow package of any rescue vest on the... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: jalmquist
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 8:54am

Originally posted by imageAK

Class 4 boaters swim alllllll the time.
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I respectfully disagree.  Yes, everyone swims.  I swim.  But what I've seen is that class IV boaters seldom swim, especially when boating within their comfort zone of class IV.  In fact, within that comfort zone, they probably seldom flip, unless playing.  Even when they step it up, they likely have the mindset, river presence, and a solid enough roll to minimize their swims in harder water.  Swimming class V is not trivial. 

However, I'm sure many non class IV boaters do swim while attempting to boat class IV rivers.  There's a difference in being a class IV boater and boating class IV.          
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: megspk
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 9:19am

You can't set safety if you're solo.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: megspk
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 9:17am

Originally posted by huckin harms

One other note. Over the years I have noticed a change in myself regarding my way of paddling. Early on, I rarely spent much time 'thinking' about boating. It was just something one spent time doing. Now, with youtube, books, and instructional videos we do lots of thinking about it. This can carry over onto the river, indeed it should if we are intentionally practicing a skill, but I have noticed a tendency to overthink things, rather than just turn off the mind, and allow the 'animal' in us do what we do.    
    


This is a great observation about recent years of boating and new boaters. Actually going out and kayaking and learning on the river is invaluable.   I would listen to a well experienced kayaker over someone who read all the books but hasn't actually put their blade to the water.

I also agree with the over thinking. Sometimes it takes the "fun" out of learning to kayak. It may even restrict you in your progress.

Tough crowd here. Can't believe I got negative props for encouraging people to take new boaters out.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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DownRiverEquipment Vs. River Boatworks I've shopped all three (DRE, RBW, and AAA) and love them all. I'm not sure how much AAA does on fishing setups, plus I think they're in the process... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: Arrow6
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 10:28am

I think if you're going to solo boat just make sure friends and family know your timeline and where you will be paddling than don't deviate from that plan.

I don't know if there are statistics regarding rescues but if you're paddling the high classes there is likely a false sense of security when you paddle with a crew.

Also, paddling solo makes the shuttle difficult...especially in Estonia
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: irenen
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 10:21am

You could get negative props on this and almost any site for saying anything including 'let's heal the sick and feed the poor.' Don't worry about it.


Edited by irenen - Today at 10:22am
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
News on AAA Inflatables? Any more news on this? Was visiting Denver and stopped by just to see what there was to see and found they were gone. Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: huckin harms
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 11:14am

I was wondering the same thought- about how many solo boaters have life traumatizing or worse incidents? Seems like most tragedies on the river occur when there are others there to witness and assist in rescue if possible, which of course stands for good reason. Few reports occur of solo boaters going missing. Rocky Contos has done many solo expeditions but still walks this side of life. I think we inherently try to tip the odds in our favor when soloing runs, at least most of us.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
New cooler line RTIC Pelican also has a useless shape for rafting~ Sent from my SM-N900V using Mountain Buzz mobile app Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Gila River weekend of March 5th Anybody want to meet up for shuttle and/or boating? We'll be down there Saturday the 5th, put in Saturday or Sunday. :) Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Middle fork salmon. APRIL? Thanks that's what I'm looking for! I'm born and raised in Missoula. If you know where that is you could probably guess what I'm going to try. Thanks... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
The Perfect Cat Trip? Thank you for the beta. I plan on putting the rig in on the middle of the week so hopefully there won't be that many comm ops. I'm not sure if it... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Gila Wilderness Run Hey gang! We're going to head down there next weekend, March 5th through the 7th or 8th. Let me know if anyone wants to meet up or work shuttle out... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
DownRiverEquipment Vs. River Boatworks I got an NRS frankem frame with speed rail. I would opt for DRE but that is because on the water supply is across the street. DRE's stuff is awesome Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Oar holders when not rowing Buy counter balanced oars the blade bobs around keeping the handle in arms reach? I'd take that deal n crawfish, then drill that ole devil in the... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
News on AAA Inflatables? Did a bit of searching, but cannot find any new information. Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
What sites do you use to find whitewater jobs? I'll be sure to stay away from the prisons and stick to the river :). Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Coolers that rest on frame Has anyone gotten their prospector yet? I ordered one the first day they were released and haven't heard anything other than the shipping label. I... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: runawayjim
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 12:40pm

AW, ACA and USCG have put together multiple reports and statistics on accidents and fatalities in whitewater vs flatwater and recreational boating, but has anyone seen these stats broken up by the class of whitewater? I assume the majority of fatalities occur on class I to IV- whitewater and I recall seeing a table that supported this a few years back but cannot find it now. I would guess this is due to paddlers on class V typically being more experienced in their knowledge of whitewater and the associated risks as well as being more versed in rescue and safety procedures and being properly equipped (drysuits, throwbags, etc). I've seen too many boaters hop on class IV with a pathetic roll, but I doubt that ever happens on Robe...
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating Author: megspk
Subject: Solo Boating
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 1:41pm

Anymore suggestions of great stretches to solo boat in the class 2 to easy class 3 range that have a reasonable bike shuttle or hike? I like to do the powerhouse in my playboat and started solo boating that last summer (then just hike up the hill with my boat for exercise), but I was thinking the Headworks section on the Green would be another good one, with a short shuttle or even walk, the Sauk from the campground or Bachman to the lumber yard would be another good class 2 with a not scary bike shuttle.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Road 300 to lower Cispus closed Author: sbeck206
Subject: Road 300 to lower Cispus closed
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 1:40pm

That's a shame. Cispus is a fun little run. The majority of the class III rapids are below that bridge. I've heard there's another takeout farther down the reservoir but I imagine that would add at least several miles of flatwater.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
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Steamboat Springs Yampa RiverAccess Yes, we have a meeting the first Wednesday of every month at cmc on the top floor next to the cafeteria at 6:30 pm. Feel free to drop in on a... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Pool Session Tonight Author: willyc
Subject: Pool Session Tonight
Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 3:04pm

The Wednesday night pool sessions have changed nights and locations. Pool sessions are now on Thursday nights 8:30-10:30pm at Helene Madison Pool.

13401 Meridian Ave N
Seattle, WA

Dates:
2/25
3/10
3/24
4/7
4/21
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity