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Summit1 and summit 2 valve adapters in IKs...	I recently discovered that you can easily use a summit 1 valve adapter to inflate through a summit 2 valve. The only difference in structure that I...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: Matt Haverly Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 12:56pm Megspk, I know your main topic for this thread is solo boating but you bring up another one - having a solid roll (in your suggestions). In my opinion, you shouldn't even be on the river if you don't have a solid roll, regardless of if you say you never tip. I'm hard line on that. Before I did my first river run I had 100 percent roll in the pool. Now I have 100 percent on-side and off-side roll in pool on all 4 boats, and have done a lot of rolls now in "combat" situations on the river with about a 90 percent success rate. Now my focus isn't on the roll during practice so much as it is on play skills in the pool, which is a great way to occasionally tip yourself and be forced to do a more real world brace or roll even when in the static and less challenging confines of a pool, and the strength and fitness conditioning focusing on play kayaking seems to really noticeably increase using pool time for that (I often do 2 pool sessions per week). My first river run, a lady had us all introduce ourselves and talk about our skillset and form a strategy. This is not the norm. The first thing I would make not of is - is there anyone in the group that absolutely cannot roll. I learned to roll on my 3rd pool session. I have tought brand new people to roll who have never been in a river kayak - to roll in a single pool session - and with 90 percent success by the end of that session. Regardless of whether you are going solo or not, I wouldn't even really feel safe in a group without a very consistent roll.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Best day or weekend trips from the Front Range	Thanks everyone for your beta. Sent from my iPhone using Mountain Buzz	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Salt River with a twist	Very true... Sent from my iPhone using Mountain Buzz	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
A-C section of the Green river (SUP)	If red creek is blown out, there's essentially no fishing below there. It gets completely discolored by red creek if there's a thunderstorm. Focus...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
COLORADO RIVER MEETING - GRAND AVENUE BRIDGE GLENWOOD SPRINGS	ATTENTION RIVER GUIDES, FISHERMEN, SUPers, KAYAKERS AND OTHER RIVER USERS: Please join us at the BrewPub Monday Feb. 29th at 4:30 for important...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Glenwood Springs Bridge Replacement	ATTENTION RIVER GUIDES, FISHERMEN, SUPers, KAYAKERS AND OTHER RIVER USERS: Please join us at the BrewPub Monday Feb. 29th at 4:30 for important...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
High water Hells	I don't have any experience with hells at anything over about 22,000. However I'm not sure if you will get real big flows.. it all will depend on the...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: megspk Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 2:00pm I don't think you should deny people river time if they don't have a roll. I think you should definitely make good choices about safe rivers to take them on, but the roll doesn't come immediately for everyone. Plus it's good practicce rescuing boats, people, and gear. Kayaking without a roll really motivates people to learn how to paddle effectively so they don't flip as much. Just because people can get their roll in the pool doesn't mean their roll is going to work everytime they attempt one while they are on the river. Typically you have much more gear on in the river and this can throw a good roll off, especially if you never where a lifejacket at roll sessions. Rolling in a real "combat" situation is very different, you are getting pushed around by current or a hole that can be pretty turbulent and disorienting. The water can work with you or against you in the "combat" situation also. There are also rocks to deal with. Practicing your "river roll" takes time and real life river experiences and you will swim. Why deny someone who is likely to swim a nice fun safe river trip? Ya gotta learn somehow!	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : New to area	Author: cnobs Subject: New to area Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 1:54pm HEY Dan, we actually met on nf payette over the summer. did a lower 5 lap with you. i moved here from park city utah. did most of my boating in idaho since utah is lacking in that dept. was good on northfork at moderate flows, no jakes though. need a bit of time to get settled back into my boat but stoked to be up here.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: Matt Haverly Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 2:21pm Anything that can be learned in a pool, should be learned in a pool prior. Be it a roll, brace, wet exit, basic strokes, or even just setting up your boat well. It might only take a couple pool sessions, possibly even just one. Even with wet exits, you have to not just know them in the pool. With wet exits, you have to be able to do them with cold, dark water. You have to be able to do them with gloves on. You have to be able to do them with full gear on. You have to be able to do them not just when you flip on purpose to practice but when they surprise you. I watched to veteran kayakers take their young boy on the river. They said he had a hot roll in the pool and had been boating and "never tips". He had never boated with gloves on. They took him on an aggressive ferry and he immediately flipped, and could not roll, and could not even wet exit because of gloves and because of shock of real cold river scenario. One of the parents had to grab him and flip him back up. This happens. He was freaked. I told the father, "what you need to do is make sure that he can do a roll and a wet exit in this water near the bank, or he may never get in that boat again." "Nah" he said - he'll be fine. We'll just get him down the river. They immediately did the same thing again, and this time he was beyond freaked out. Inconsolable. Crying. And it could have been avoided - just making sure the skill was tried in a controlled environment near the bank before charging into a cold river with gear without testing out survival skills safely. This is where I believe the group thing can actually steer you wrong at times and become biased when professional kayaking reputations and their family legacy comes into play. I am big on first things first. People can do what they want but not with me if they can't roll, and especially if they have never wet exited in cold fast water with gear. Not that this is more or less important than any other safety consideration like river choice, etc.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Great Deals Out There	Cargo net also in Helena http://helena.craigslist.org/bpo/5458261698.html Sent from my iPhone using Mountain Buzz	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Repair/replace floor ??	Thanks Zach for all the info. You've got an interesting website, and business. I'll give a call if I go with that floor and let you know what I run...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Pulled a Selway permit!	could not agree more....3.5' is perfect and likely what you'll be seeing by June 20...even on bigger years it has peaked 2 to 3 weeks earlier is on...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Middle fork salmon. APRIL?	You definitely would be taking chances going down Marsh that early...and I agree, "if you have to ask...". You would not want to be on Marsh...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Presidential Race 2016	I'm not trying to take a side on this forum but,.......... Image:...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Sedona Park and Play	The wave of which you speak on the Racecourse is known as "Sleeping Beauty"... and the master of said wave is Mr. Ed Lucero: Image:...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
What sites do you use to find whitewater jobs?	Full disclosure, I'm the CEO of Desta.co (http://desta.co). We have a bunch of raft guides jobs listed on our board right now and I think it's worth...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: BrianP Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 5:11pm Matt, You have a good point about wet exiting with new gear. I think D4 had an experience with toaster mitts he wouldn't like to repeat. I think rolling should be learned fairly early on, but getting a feel for the water with braces and strokes is crucial to learning a good roll. I have no problem taking people out on easy water without them having a roll, as long as they're working on it. Not that I'm recommending it, but there are a number of boaters who've been around a long time who can't roll. I mean, Walt Blackadar had a textbook horsesh*t roll by all accounts and he knocked off first descents of 2 of the big 3 in Alaska. Near the end of his career he basically couldn't roll, swimming out of Lava on the GC..repeatedly for the camera (Never Turn Back: The life of whitewater pioneer Walt Blackadar. Buy it. Read it.) Now as to the original topic.. I boat solo on a couple of hometown runs. Sometimes it's because no one else can boat, and sometimes because I want to paddle alone. I really treasure my time when I get to boat solo for a lot of reasons. I'm not going to list them all because if you don't know, you just need to go try it and see for yourself. As long as you're within your abilities it's worth finding out if you like it or not. As for boating at or below your top level, I personally solo a class IV run here that ends with a solid IV+/V-. I wouldn't necessarily do that on other rivers but I know this one very well and paddle it every day for work. I'm not a superman paddler but I've been kayaking for almost 10 years and have the judgement I think I need. Now, someone who has been paddling class III for a year might not have the same judgement and awareness to make paddling solo a good idea. Who knows?	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Turn the corner and keep going	Do it. I've never even been on the salmon, but that sounds like a great idea. I've never regreted going on a river trip river trip, but have...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Salt Shuttle	Shuttling Friday. You going to be around.	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Enhancing the Layover Day	Kubb I'd take that deal n crawfish, then drill that ole devil in the ass.	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Steamboat Springs Yampa RiverAccess	Do you love floating the Yampa in Steamboat Springs in the summer? Who doesn't right? The good people at Parks and Rec are running a survey to...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: Mauler! Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 5:26pm Yip....I styled the sky solo this afternoon....one flip and one portage....damn where was everyone! Canada?	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: outdoorjunkie88 Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 5:34pm ive never been to a pool session and paddle 4-5. first two years of learning was solo because i was living in michigan where their isn't much of a boating community. Best place to learn is on the rivers and a little youtube can give you some extra courage.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: Matt Haverly Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 6:00pm WhiteWaterWheat - Yeah - not all basic safety skills like wet exits, bracing, and rolls transfer directly from pool to river. But the approach should be you should approach the river with caution knowing aspects will be different and require more strategy to keep the consequences low and the fun high. But at the same time, If you can't do it in the pool, you probably can't do it in the river, and consequences will be lower guaranteed in the pool. And yeah - same with class 2 - even at a variety of flows - minimizes consequences to learn things there, and learn them well as opposed to jumping into class 4. First things first without skipping steps is always safest if you want to minimize consequences and maximize fun and avoid any type of trauma that could make a beginner never want to kayak again. Solo is a whole different thing and much more individual - because it can be. Never really done a solo run to date. Edited by Matt Haverly - Today at 6:01pm	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: WhiteWaterWheat Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 5:48pm Matt, I just want to chime in real quick to your roll argument. Yes, having a roll makes kayaking much more enjoyable for you and your friends. But in the end, everybody swims. It will happen, and learning to swim in moving water is a vital skill. A skill best learned in class II rather than class IV or V. Moving water is very different than a pool, and it doesn't all transfer. SO be kind to the fellow boaters learning to kayak. A solid roll in whitewater comes with time.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
info - kayaker - grand canyon - no permit	---Quote (Originally by Shitouta)--- I'm pretty sure the offender was tazed by river patrol while trying to escape then forced to hike out at havasu...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Steamboat Springs Yampa RiverAccess	Thanks for supplying that link. Would love to use bear river park as a take out for longer town runs. Sent from my iPhone using Mountain Buzz	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
What sites do you use to find whitewater jobs?	Just make sure when you hit the WV state line you drive in the right lane.	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Turn the corner and keep going	Yes do it. .... If you can, pick up a motor mount and small outboard and keep going down the snake to the ocean...ultimate river runner dream	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Coolers that rest on frame	Where did you get the drop bag. I am looking for one the right size for 20mm rocket box?	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Pulled a Selway permit!	June 20... you will be perfect. I worked that river for years and our first launch was last week in June and was normally around 3'. You will...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
The Perfect Cat Trip?	Hello internet people, I am planning a Cat trip in the middle of June and wonder what the perfect trip is with regard to camps, hikes, historic...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Presidential Race 2016	That does NOT help me in choosing a side! :-)	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Salt River with a twist	I too was disappointed by a Salt permit in hand that won't have runnable flows. Alternative meet and greet runs would include Chama, San Juan,...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: irenen Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 6:51pm *Originally posted by WhiteWaterWheat* ...learning to swim in moving water is a vital skill. A skill best learned in class II rather than class IV or V. That is such a good point. Mike says he swam every weekend for the first few years he started kayaking. Granted he scoffs at fear and swims like a tuna. A different personality or level of swimmer might be traumatized and would be better off approaching things differently. I guess one of the points is that it's a pretty individual sport and not everyone learns to roll easily or has the same head game. I understand your frustration Matt at seeing someone become traumatized when it was preventable, and I do agree with you that it makes sense to do everything you can to become good at rolling because it is an indispensable part of the sport and a lot of fear can build up just from being afraid of missing rolls and swimming. For the same reason though, I think it's also really healthy to learn to swim on Class II and III as you're stepping things up so that swimming is not the end of the world and the eventual swims on harder stuff (which will happen) aren't the ones where you're just at that point learning how to deal with it. Not being used to swimming in whitewater and then having your first big swims on IV (and the occasional V) kind of sucks. Or so I've heard. ;)	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Salt this weekend/shuttle help	If you can't find folks to shuttle with. There are some commercial shuttle options. Looks to be about $125 a vehicle...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
New cooler line RTIC	has anyone gotten to use one?	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
What sites do you use to find whitewater jobs?	Thanks I appreciate it, can't wait to be out on that river!	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
New cooler line RTIC	I haven't put my hands on a cooler yet, but I did have a bunch of the RTIC 30oz tumblers come through my shop today. To RTIC's credit, they have no...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
info - kayaker - grand canyon - no permit	Perhaps the NPS article where I read that was taken down because it contained sensationalist misinformation?	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
BV in the "Off Season"	Planning on spending this Saturday afternoon/evening in BV after a day getting turns in at Monarch. Any suggestions for food and fun and lodging in...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
What sites do you use to find whitewater jobs?	x2 on WV if you're trying to stay anywhere close to Cinci. I doubt there's any commercial rafting in Ohio that'd be as much fun... If you're...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
New cooler line RTIC	---Quote (Originally by Quiggle)--- has anyone gotten to use one? ---End Quote--- I was curious about them but , they haven't gotten their...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Let' do the combo-mambo!	Bump. Probably just dreaming, but you never know. Sent from my iPhone using Mountain Buzz	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
info - kayaker - grand canyon - no permit	I expect that with a hike out at Havasu there's a pretty good chance that he'd be greeted by NPS LEOs at the trailhead up top and given a free ride...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
What sites do you use to find whitewater jobs?	You got it, bigben. We're constantly adding jobs and exist for the primary purpose of helping guides and outdoorsy folk keep doing what they love....	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Road 300 to lower Cispus closed	Author: sbeck206 Subject: Road 300 to lower Cispus closed Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 1:14am According to the PUD website road 300 leading to the lower Cispus takeout is closed. (Not the 1/4 mile gated road.) Anyone have any info on this? http://www.lcpud.org/Recreation/Take_Out_Site	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Road 300 to lower Cispus closed	Author: imageAK Subject: Road 300 to lower Cispus closed Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 3:08am It was closed last time I was up there like a week ago. https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B026'22.4%22N+121%C2%B059'57.2%22W/@46.4395678,-122.000315,18z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 the bridge at those coordinates is where we took out.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity

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