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Dolores questions for anyone that ran in 2016 Per Slickrock-Bedrock section: 1) Didn't run Bradfield-Slickrock last year because of all the confusion about when the "dam people" were shutting... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Looking for Info on Middle Fork Salmon Outfitters Thanks everybody for the info and advice. If per chance the road to Boundary Creek is blocked, what options are there for flying into Indian Creek? Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Photos of rowframe.com raft frames? Yeah, I'll try to do that in the next couple days. It's all disassembled for finishing at the moment. The connectors look like this, as you may... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Upper C Pumphouse Status Free of ice for sure - I know a few people who have floated it in the last week. Flows are low though! Run is left of needle eye at these levels. ... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
A Boat for Women to Row? ---Quote (Originally by caverdan)--- I'm probably going to get flamed for this , but, if you want her to learn to row a raft......get a raft. The... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
From AW - "Releases To Lower Dolores River Certain In 2017" FYI all - Last year, and again this year, the map pages only, from the out-of-print Dolores River Guidebook, will be available for free at Colorado... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Ute Mountain Looking for some put-in and take-out info. Has anyone every found the elusive Stateline put-in? I don't even know if it's supposed to be on the... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
An extra cat or two for Salt 2-24 launch We're a solo R-2 running from Friday to Sunday as well. Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: jalmquist
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 11:14am

I gotta admit, after having both ears drilled I'm a little more hesitant spending copious amounts of time upside down in the winter.  Bigger boats are so warm and comfy!   But I do miss the days when conversation around heading to the Mosh Pit included someone suggesting, with merit, that it might be crowded.   

Access also plays a roll, albeit a small one, at least for me.  Some favorite winter play runs like the southern Green and the Chehalis are now gated.  Sure, the Tilton is a fantastic option, and it's still fun to play boat the regulars like the Green, MM, Sky, and so on.  Maybe I'm just getting old and cranky!  But hey, creek boats surf!  And while they don't spin on green waves, you can get dizzy at Paradise!                            
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Dolores questions for anyone that ran in 2016 ---Quote (Originally by twmartin)--- I last ran Slickrock to Bedrock in 2008, two trips, and I don't remember the Tamarisk being that bad. I was... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Photos of rowframe.com raft frames? Nice work on the decking but I have one small critique... It sounds like you've already gone on to finsih but it doesn't appear you left much space... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Ute Mountain I think the put-in is Lobatos Bridge which you can easily drive to. Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Lost Sawyer kayak paddle on GC Lost one of these: CROSSCUT KAYAK PADDLE (http://www.paddlesandoars.com/PADDLES/CROSSCUT-KAYAK-PADDLE/) Bummer. It was poorly rigged and fell out... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Kayak Paint I have the same problem. I don't see a lot of people that have the same boat I have but I like to have a personalized boat. I found that using... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Where to put your weight on a raft I suggest you experiment with your packing. I like to put heavy stuff right in the center of my boat so I can spin easier. Almost always that means... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
An extra cat or two for Salt 2-24 launch I have to tend to a sick horse for the next 4 days. I am out. Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Sherpa VS Stikine Author: megspk
Subject: Sherpa VS Stikine
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 11:50am

I'd like your comments, suggestions, personal preferences, and opinions!

I currently paddle a Sherpa blade from Werner, but I'm looking at getting the Stikine. I think the Stikine blade seems a bit smaller?? Is this correct?

I've trialed a Stikine before and it felt really slicey and nice in the water. The Sherpa seems to be a great blade too, but flutters a bit more (could be my door trim contributing).

How does the foam core fair in terms of durability with our rocky rivers? My Sherpa blade is still going strong and I bought that back in 2013. I just want to make sure I'm getting the best, most durable paddle!

So Sherpa Carbon VS Stikine....what do you all think?

Cheers!
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: AdamG
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 11:46am

To each their own...ones boating preferences evolve with time and space. What's important to me is that I continue to boat and accumulate experiences and friendships.

I started boating on SE rivers in 17 years ago and quickly was creeking 100% of the time. This was also what seemed to be the peak of creek racing so mad-bombing was the norm. It took me too many years to realize that as my creeking resume progressed, my upside down skills digressed.

Fast forward in time and to the promised land of boating, I seek to be a more well-rounded kayaker. My local run is class 3 and that's a huge part of it but I use it as an excuse to downriver playboat & train so I am poised to run harder whitewater.

Watching you squirt your way down the lower Matheny with the queets at 25+k inspires me to spend less time pointed downriver forward-stroking......bring on the bigwater!



Edited by AdamG - Today at 11:48am
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Sherpa VS Stikine Author: megspk
Subject: Sherpa VS Stikine
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 12:39pm

I guess my biggest question would be will have a smaller surface area paddle blade affect my paddling greatly?
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Dolores questions for anyone that ran in 2016 We ran Bradfield to Slickrock last year, and mania is exactly correct. The camps were overgrown with grass, tamarisk, and also PI. The Ivy wasn't... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Photos of rowframe.com raft frames? Thanks. Not a bad idea using cdx as a starter. You have quite a bit more surface area in yours; I managed to squeeze this out of one 5x5 sheet that... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Thursday and/or Friday boating Author: kevinh
Subject: Thursday and/or Friday boating
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 1:26pm

Messaged you
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Sherpa VS Stikine Author: Slackkinhard
Subject: Sherpa VS Stikine
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 1:20pm

I had a Stikine....lost it on the Lochsa last spring, but the moment I got a hold of the bigger bladed powerhouse, I noticed how much difference the larger blade made. I won't go back to the Stikine, in fact I'd go bigger personally. Just my experience so far.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
No Salt for me Alot of Salt permits that were unpaid are available now on Recreation.gov. I was shocked when I logged in this morning just how many were available. ... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
A Boat for Women to Row? Hello Andy. You have gotten some very good input here. I don't think I have anything to add in the way of advice. It so happens that I have an... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: BIGWATER
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 2:33pm

I agree, to each his own and that the river can be experienced in many ways. I know playboating is not for everyone. I understand the reasons for the decline in playboaters over the years. I have heard the reasons/excuses many times, my feet hurt, it's cold, I'll never be good enough, there are no places to go ext ext.
My point was just that something has been lost. You don't need a play park or a park and play spot (although it's nice). I guess i mean down river playboating. Like Adam said it's a great way to build skill and make any class of river a challenge. I can have fun on a class 2 eddy line or challenge myself to wave wheel as many times as I can on a class 3 wave train or catch that sweet wave in the middle of a big class 4. It's also great training for getting stuck in a hole, you don't want the first time you cartwheel to be in a hole on a class 5 run. It is just a way to get more intimate with some of the subtle but amazing features the river has to offer. Smashing through a rapid in a modern creekboat is like driveing a tank through a mini golf course instead of playing it. Both sound fun! Haha. I want to be in a tank in class 5. But it's just not nessisary on easier runs.
I do miss the days when we would spend hours at surf city or the old play hole on the Tilton with a few beers. Then bomb down the canyon to the lake just before dark.
I don't expect playboating to make a huge comeback, just don't want to see the artform get lost.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Sherpa VS Stikine Author: huckin harms
Subject: Sherpa VS Stikine
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 2:33pm

Ditto on what others have said. The larger the blade, the more stress to shoulders. You might consider the length also. Longer shaft provides more leverage.
I have both paddles, and very much prefer the foam core blade, maybe not as durable, but still a solid option.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Sherpa VS Stikine Author: imageAK
Subject: Sherpa VS Stikine
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 1:31pm

the carbon foam core is gonna be less durable than a fiberglass blade, the larger surface area usually causes more fatigue also. ive been paddling with a sho-gun since I started and also used a few AT carbon paddles, a carbon powerhouse and a fiberglass powerhouse.

Ive actually been thinking about dropping down in size from the shogun to the stikine. If you don't bang your paddle up a lot and run more rivers than creeks id say the stikine would be a good choice.

I like the foam core cause it does better in aerated water than the solid carbon or fiberglass.. but Werner themselves say the fiberglass is the way to go for longevity.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: NateW
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 2:56pm

Don't you think that to some extent the decrease in popularity is that very few companies are making the style of playboat you are describing? Everyone still makes a very small football shaped boat that is good for big tricks and big waves, but there isn't much to choose from for a boat that can easily surf small waves and cartwheel/squirt/etc.

A buddy and I took a trip over to the MM (my first time on it) Saturday and he commented how surprised he was at the number of creekboats and river runners were out there. I thought the MM was a great place for a playboat, but if it was a local run of mine I'd take my creekboat out on it as well to work on my skills in that boat as well.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Kayak Paint Is there a specific type of paint that's works better. That is a great idea. Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
A Boat for Women to Row? My 11 year old niece receiving instruction from her dad in my old puma. She started paddling her own IK on the McKenzie about 3 years go. ... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Dolores Guide book So I have heard through the rumor mill that the old Dolores River guide book will be available for download on the Public lands site, for a small fee... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
cheap, light raft floor Finally got around to cutting a piece of the "pallet" material to fit front of raft floor. Couple of pool noodles to cover sharp edges. The rower's... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Looking for Info on Middle Fork Salmon Outfitters I've used Steve @ Middle Fork Aviation. It wasn't as expensive as I had imagined. http://www.middleforkair.com/Home.html Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: BIGWATER
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:07pm

So true. The modern playboats are not designed for down river playboating, but they are offering some more retro designs now. I prefer a dagger Ego, Supper Ego,centrifuge or ultrafuge. If anyone has one collecting dust please let me buy it! And yes the middle middle is a great play run, with way to many creek boats on it. But yes, you need to spend time in your creekboat on easy runs before your on class 5. I spend most of my time in a playboat and getting in the creeker can feel weird. Not good to feel weird on class 5
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Sherpa VS Stikine Author: NateW
Subject: Sherpa VS Stikine
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:21pm

Door trim on a paddle blade sounds... interesting. I would think that might affect performance quite a bit. Paddles don't wear down all that quickly, I'd chuck that stuff and be willing to replace the blades every once in awhile.

Do you own a breakdown? I saw something on social media where you won a Werner paddle - is this why you are asking? If you don't have one, that's a no brainer get one of those.

Here is an interesting comparo from werner about the different paddle designs:
http://blistergearreview.com/features/20-questions-werner-paddles/2

That pretty much settles the arguments about what wears faster and what is tougher. Luckily I have not gone through many paddles, but I'm cheap so I think about how grouchy I will be when I have to replace it. I think it's pretty hard to beat a werner fiberglass paddle for the best mix of durability, performance, and relatively low cost ($200 online is pretty easy to find).
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: NateW
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:40pm

As a Wenatchee local I'm really jealous of the Sky / MM / Green. You can have a lot of fun in both a playboat and a creekboat/river runner on the exact same section of whitewater. I get over it pretty fast when I'm doing after work trinity sessions with at most two other paddlers.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: bobber2
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:53pm

I think it's the cold water... if you go to the east coast you'll find mostly playboats on anything under class IV-
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
A Boat for Women to Row? Really tuff call and fun question to talk about. If you go with a 12 foot raft I would sell your 14ft. You have your paddle/sporty oar raft and your... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Dolores questions for anyone that ran in 2016 Say, for the Paradox Valley section, I seem to see conflicting assessments. Some write-ups say class II+ (e.g. AW), but then I see mention of class... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
River Runners Right now I paddle a Perception Overflow, which is a kick ass boat. But I think it's time to upgrade. I've been able to creek a bit this winter and I... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Kayak Paint I'd go with a spray paint made for outside. There is tons to choose from! I've got a bunch of band logos and other things on my boat. Ragecage Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
How to deal with outboard on self bailer? I've a 14 ft Maravia with laced in floor & center oarframe. Lot of rocker fore and aft. Have a tube-mounted strap-on transom and 75 lb outboard 15 hp... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: BIGWATER
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 4:25pm

I have never boated on the east coast, I hear some people even still squirt boat and C1 there. But with a much bigger boating community your bound to have more playboaters and the warm probably helps.
Honestly cold is not an issue on most days of winter playboating. Most of the time I need to roll to cool off Im playing so hard. If I take a creek boat down the same run I'm hardly getting heated. I have seen groups split up because the creekboats sitting in the eddy watching us play get cold, while we surf our selves silly and break a sweet. It's all relative and let's face it kayaking is not about being in the lap of luxury. You have to be willing to put up with some hardships no matter what kind of boat you are in. That's why most of the population would never even touch a kayak.
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : A dying breed. The playboater. Author: BIGWATER
Subject: A dying breed. The playboater.
Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 4:35pm

And Nate, I agree. The Wenatchee has a few good features but is mostly flat. The waves can be amazing but the season is short. There are definitely worse things than surfing after work, no matter how many times you have to do it. Hehe
Professor Paddle Washington, Oregon and vicinity
How to deal with outboard on self bailer? i have wondered if a piece of urethane cut to size that is draped under and then secured at the front and sides of the boat would keep water out of... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Religions ---Quote (Originally by mania)--- How arrogant can you be? We are everywhere and a rapid or a foxhole doesn't change facts and evidence. ---End... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
cheap, light raft floor Sweet!!! Do you think it is lighter than 3/8 plywood? I know where I can get one of those plastic pallets and maybe upgrade my floor. Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
An extra cat or two for Salt 2-24 launch eddy, we will be there thursday night, brown f150 4 door with a trailer. your welcome to run with us Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
A Boat for Women to Row? I think this cataraft thing is a red herring. All our family women row and none learned on a cat, we don't even have any cats currently, though we... Mountain Buzz Colorado, Western US and everywhere else