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new raft advice - sotar or aire	I am not sure if there is any new info going on here this debate on the same fabrics has been going on for years. You guys are all behind the curve ,...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: Matt Haverly Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 11:24pm thad2000 - Yes - jP and Meg are both awesome indeed. Thank you for the invitation - lets do a run! FYI - I work in Issaquah, but live in Sultan (very close to Big Eddy on the Skykomish). So what I am starting to do is even on weekdays, do runs just before dark after work, as I am just down I-90 from the South Fork Snoqualmie. However there is a class 3+ that is even closer to Issaquah - it is the Raging River. I have not yet done it but have been meaning to. Just some ideas. I can also take a vacation day and probably will to take advantage of at least one of your weekdays this month. Feel free to private message me or email me at [email protected] - and like I just mentioned, I am starting to do class 3 in addition to the class 2 runs. I'm starting to do more playboating on the class 2, and just starting to run the class 3, and am working hard in the pools on play boat skills to eventually incorporate into river runs.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
new raft advice - sotar or aire	I've had 2 Aire kayaks, one Sotar kayak, and one Sotar raft. I've had really good luck with the Kayaks from both brands. The Raft is a 2007 model...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Rule of thumb when you have to swim??	Keep a cool head and roll with the punches. Every swim is different. I like to scout stuff as much for a potential swim as for a good line. Sometimes...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: NateW Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 4:39am Stop trying to progress in a safe / logical fashion. Time to go run some continuous class IV with no airbags and safety gear. Get some! Edit: Don't forget the gopro Edited by NateW - Today at 4:40am	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Quick Trailer Question	Do a google image search on "raft trailer" and you will see that 99 percent of raft trailers are only big enough to support the bottom of the boat...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
new raft advice - sotar or aire	Are there any reputable manufacturers using Elvaloy? Sent from my SM-N900V using Mountain Buzz mobile app	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Rule of thumb when you have to swim??	---Quote (Originally by soggy_tortillas)--- I try to self rescue as much as possible. Helps me keep my cool. Always try to stay upstream of your...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Getting a cancellation on Recreation.gov	Agree that a stream lined system would work fairly for all. Used to apply every year for Grand Canyon backpacking permit, supposed to go online over...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Motorin' On Down the Big Ditch; Grand Canyon Video	Thank you for making my day! 4th trip in August, much has changed physically since last trip in 2008 and was doubting myself. YES, I must go, thanks...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Rule of thumb when you have to swim??	---Quote (Originally by lmyers)--- I absolutely encourage swimmers to flip their boat over immediately. It is less likely to fill completely with...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Getting a cancellation on Recreation.gov	Thanks for the insight. I have only experienced east coast (mostly southern rivers) so the permit system is foreign to me, but I am excited to do...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Quick Trailer Question	So how many 2x6 cross members total do you have? It sounds like the roller is positioned under the stern kick so there's not as much contact?	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
new raft advice - sotar or aire	Found this on Jack's Plastic Welding site. Elvaloy is the trade name of a fabric that was once used by Achilles. It had great welding properties,...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Lost \ Found \ Stolen : Lost paddle	Author: mokelumnekid Subject: Lost paddle Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 8:08am That's such a bummer- but given the levels that paddle is probably bobbing in salt water by now...But you never know. I lost a paddle on the Grand Canyon and it was found by a rafter six months later, stuck in debris in what he described as, "An eddy no one ever visits." Hope you get lucky.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Friday afternoon boating?	Author: Nick Subject: Friday afternoon boating? Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 8:41am Hoping to get off work in time...	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
new raft advice - sotar or aire	My rig doesn't need your blessing- Sent from my SM-N900V using Mountain Buzz mobile app	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Balancing Weight on Raft	First of all on that boat the tubes are flat enough you could bring the frame forward some depending on the load. You are going to need to suck...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Quick Trailer Question	Go to the plumbing pipe section of home depot. Find the 90 degree threaded fixtures with the screw footing. That will screw to your cross member. ...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
how to make my boat float?	First, isn't it amazing that you got replies from everybody on this. That's what is cool about the kayaking world being small. Second, as someone...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Rule of thumb when you have to swim??	I too have have better luck with boat wrong side up. Don't know why but that's just my experience. Other results may vary.	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Quick Trailer Question	Hey, thanks for going to the trouble of getting a couple pics, Osseous. You're spot on regarding my decision to go with cross members rather than...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
new raft advice - sotar or aire	Elkhaven - thanks for your thoughts and opinions. I appreciate what you said, exactly the type of nuances I was hoping to hear about. I...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Rule of thumb when you have to swim??	Without a doubt, in my experience of pulling hundreds of boats out of the Arkansas the easiest way to get a loose kayak out of a whitewater river is...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
new raft advice - sotar or aire	---Quote (Originally by Osseous)--- Maravia roughness is only on the chafe area. Makes it easier to walk on. With a frame it isn't an issue. ...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
New life for that old Bucket Boat	I only wish I had a 10ft bucket boat sitting around to turn into an eddy hottub. HotTug (http://www.hottug.nl/hottug_en.htm) Image:...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
dry top and pants vs dry suit	EDITED for PC. - If you are husky, get a drysuit. The reason is entirely self-evident. - In most cold water situations, wear a neoprene...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: jP Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 11:56am *Originally posted by NateW* Stop trying to progress in a safe / logical fashion. Time to go run some continuous class IV with no airbags and safety gear. Get some! Edit: Don't forget the gopro Haha- That's either good sarcasm or bad advice! Well you missed the era where jP would counter that with three long posts. Sorry- if you feel like missing out I guess you'll have to dig through PP's acrchives. There is probably a spirited retort to just about anything related to paddlin whitewater. Thad- keep your teeth they are way more valuable. I'm just a slightly above average boater who happens to have stuck around long enough to become some kind of anomaly. Misfit. But I don't lose or break gear very often and I have boated a lot of sh*t and remained intact. I can still keep up with the classV chargers as long as we stick to the well todden paths of the classic runs in this stae (of which there are plenty).	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: jP Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 12:11pm Ok we are on a third post! Matt, I'm down to paddle after work next week. I get done at 2pm and can be up the sky valley by 3:30 easily. Let me know when you get off work typically. I would be down for the Sultan, The Walace, or the Pilchuck river. We'll examine our options and figure it out maybe monday touch base and tuesday or wednesday go boat.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: jP Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 12:08pm Speaking of well trodden pathes.. important to distinguish between "Known Runs" and "Unknown runs" (not to sound like Donald Rumsfeld-the bastard). Known runs being those that are paddled on a frequent basis by a large sector of the paddling community. Unkown runs being more obscure and getting explored much less oftne and by fewer people. The Raging River has been visited by a few more people recently but it is still not very well known in terms of the hazards in there and where they are. Based on how it's been described to me, it is what I'd call "Adventure Class III". meaning that while technically it is a "Class III" run, it may have enough surprises in the form of wood hazards that explporing it safetly could easily be more like a class IV experience. I have heard it is tucked into a rather commiting sort of canyon. Another factor is that it apparently requires a hefty amount of rain to juice enough water through there, and this sometimes creates a paradoxical balance between having enough water to run it, and having enough slack water to not get stuffed into some log jam before you can identify an appropriate eddy and get the fu*k out/scout and/or portage said hazard. So my advice on the raging would be to hold off on that one. A roman numeral can be a deceptive way to catagorize a river when there are only six used. Its appalling that the whitewater rating system is still used at all. It sucks. classes 1-6, in an era where hoards of bro-bras are running class VI for breakfast after bong tokes and calling it class V. That rating system was designed in the 1950's when hardly anyone ever ran class IV and the prevailing river craft was an alluminum canoe. there you go there's a dose of jP Clasic for ya.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Friday afternoon boating?	Author: tiziak Subject: Friday afternoon boating? Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 12:02pm Anybody want to rally the green?	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Friday afternoon boating?	Author: jP Subject: Friday afternoon boating? Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 12:17pm Tams and Nick--- I will be up there (Sky). hit me up sooner than later if you want to make a plan. I need to do some work too though so if I don't hear from you it means I am out of cell range doing just that (up in Index) Oh, and definitely swing by the FERC website (see my thread for the eComment URL) and file an eComment if you haven't done so. If you have, consider getting 5 other people to file one. Edited by jP - Today at 12:25pm	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Sky Tomorrow!!	Author: jP Subject: Sky Tomorrow!! Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 12:35pm Gonna be a good medium flow tomorrow (6,500-7,500?). I will be at Split Rock from 11am to noon (roughly). Its' possible that as soon as enough peeps show up to make a shuttle, I will head up. If so, set your shuttle and I will probably see you on the river. As the fate of Sunset Falls and Skykomish rests in our hands, or maybe our voices, I want to encourage everyone to file an eComment with FERC by Monday. If you already have, great. Get 5 more people to do so. It is going to take a lot of public outcry to prevent this expensive project form being built. I will also have postcards to hand out and other materials. The postcards are adressed to FERC and they are pre-stamped. I'd like each paddler to have a multiplier effect by doing some very minimal out reach to other persons who might care and take action. Edited by jP - Today at 12:36pm	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Getting a cancellation on Recreation.gov	Sharing = good karma	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Presidential race 2016	It stinks that what is probably the most important issue of all in the greater scheme of things,the environment,has been put on a back burner.I think...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
2106 Whitewater Rafting National Championship	The United States Rafting Association is hosting its 2016 R4 National Championship on April 1st, 2nd and 3rd on the Rogue and Upper Klamath Rivers in...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
new raft advice - sotar or aire	Maravia makes wonderful boats. They are (in my experience) the most durable boats made today. We aren't able to use them for our commercial trips...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Salt River Weekend of 02/21	Agreed, Very optimistic. Looks like we're just going to put in at HWY 60 and run through Gleason Flat at the most. 1800 CFS and Rising!	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Rule of thumb when you have to swim??	lmayer, That sounds like a good trick to practice in the summer. I have never purposefully tried that. Also as a swimmer you could hold the boat at...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: jalmquist Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 1:04pm Jumping in quickly just to keep JP from getting a fourth post in a row. But also to chime in on the Raging. As JP says, it's somewhat of an adventure class III run, with hazards that bump up the consequences beyond what you might find on our "known class III" options. But the combo of it being so local yet somewhat unknown makes it strangely compelling. I don't know your boating ability, but would agree with JP that it's not a good option for inspiring class III boaters. You mention working "just down the road" from the SF Snoqualmie, which you boat on occasion. While nothing local really compares to the the Raging, the short section of the SF from Percolator Pool to the normal SF put in is somewhat similar in difficulty - sans the wood you'll likely find in the Raging. Take a look at this section by hiking the trail upstream from the normal SF put in. Percolator Pool is found via a short side path that drops down off the main trail partway up the climb to the first real switchback. The first two drops below Perc Pool (both very different from each other) are somewhat representative of the difficulty of the Raging. Again, sans the wood issues. When you progress into boating class III, try this section of river. Either combine it with the normal SF run, or better yet lap it a few times by hiking your boat back up between runs (good training for adventure boating). When you can boat this section in complete control - not just making it to the bottom of the drops upright, but catching eddies at a moment's notice anywhere and everywhere within the drops - then start considering the Raging as on option. On runs like the Raging, it's not about staying upright. It's about staying in complete control.	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Balancing Weight on Raft	Right. look at your photo almost all of the weight is rear of center. Because of foot room you are losing the ability to put more weight in the...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Salt River Weekend of 02/21	Do you know how to get to Gleason?	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
dry top and pants vs dry suit	---Quote (Originally by dirtbagkayaker)--- Don't be close minded and limit yourself to only what the "in crowd" is doing. You should quaint...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: megspk Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 1:56pm *Originally posted by jalmquist* On runs like the Raging, it's not about staying upright. It's about staying in complete control. This is great advice	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted	Author: megspk Subject: Class 2/2+ whitewater kayaking trips wanted Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 2:09pm JP and Matt, I'm off next Wednesday and would be down for an afternoon run for sure!	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
Whitewater Forum : Solo Boating	Author: megspk Subject: Solo Boating Posted: 19 Feb 2016 at 2:07pm What are your thoughts on Solo Boating? I know this is a completely person choice for each person, but I'd like to hear what people's personal criteria or suggestions are on when someone could/should start to go on solo trips. I've heard boat a class lower than your top skills, so if you are a class 3 boater, boat class 2. Make sure you have a solid roll. Have the run you are going to do basically memorized or feel very comfortable on said run before soloing, for a few examples. Any other pearls of wisdom or advice? Stories also appreciated	Professor Paddle	Washington, Oregon and vicinity
dry top and pants vs dry suit	---Quote (Originally by bystander)--- Since these companies do sell wetsuits as well as drysuits, if it was about doing what the sponsors wanted,...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
2106 Whitewater Rafting National Championship	I will be there!	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
Balancing Weight on Raft	Another, on prototype asymmetrical 13x23, an adjusted pattern to handle weight better and still cut like a razor in big water. Attachment 11032...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else
new raft advice - sotar or aire	---Quote (Originally by shappattack)--- Not you, jeebus, I call the original OPs post a troll cause there has been so much aire vs sotar...	Mountain Buzz	Colorado, Western US and everywhere else

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